Forum Name : Open Source or Free Software

What should the forum name be?


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firewall

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Hi all,

I strongly believe that this room's should be renamed as Free Software. Most of the topics and discussions are on FREE Software and the Free Software movement. So why open Source. ????

What about the Mods of this forums ? What they think about this. Wll i mean thOSE Mods who are really serious and regular in this forum and who really believes in Freedom.. ;) LOL

:)

a.m
 

DKant

In the zone
Quite right. This forum, atleast, should do its part in resolving the confusion between Open Source and Freedomware. I second it. :)

P.S: U shld have started a poll buddy. :)
 

mail2and

Walking, since 2004.
but open source will cover larger part of the software... for eg- scripts like vbulletin and ipb(since 2.0.1) are paid software but still are classified under open source..... also if u name it 'FREE SOFTWARE' expect all those n00bs asking for keygens and all kinds of non-related queries....
 

klinux

Ambassador of Buzz
free software in general also includes ones which are given out free with windows right , and also include apps with advts in it , given for free . i think free software name would confuse a lot ,while everyone knows open source is for linux , gnu and others . u can name it open source/gnu/linux/free as in freedom section , but ppl will get confused on a name change . i dont see a lot of posts meant for open source being posted else where . instead , if we could have subtopics like the one in pcq , where we can have a troubleshooting , installation , suse , debian , fedora etc sections , might be more helpful . i still think gnu's sticky on topics covered should be expanded into subtopics , since it might be easier for him to handle them too
 

firestarter

Broken In
mail2and said:
but open source will cover larger part of the software... for eg- scripts like vbulletin and ipb(since 2.0.1) are paid software but still are classified under open source..... also if u name it 'FREE SOFTWARE' expect all those n00bs asking for keygens and all kinds of non-related queries....

But you are making mistake between *FREEWARE* and FREE SOFTWARE. They are completely deferent.

Visit www.gnu.org please

I quote Free Software Foundation
The term ``freeware'' has no clear accepted definition, but it is commonly used for packages which permit redistribution but not modification (and their source code is not available). These packages are not free software, so please don't use ``freeware'' to refer to free software.

and
Free software is software that comes with permission for anyone to use, copy, and distribute, either verbatim or with modifications, either gratis or for a fee. In particular, this means that source code must be available. ``If it's not source, it's not software.'' This is a simplified definition



-_-_PEACE_-_-
 
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firewall

firewall

In the zone
klinux said:
....while everyone knows open source is for linux , gnu and others .

I strongly differ. What do you mean by "Everyone". is that you , or me or some one else.. buddy you just cant make this kind of irresponsible comment. sorry if i am rude.

Because there are lots of people around who know what is Free Software and what is Open Source. Not only that lots of people use either free or open source or both of them only. They dont use proprietary software. So you just cant say everyone. And for your " Everyone", what they know is wrong.. Linux - the kernel is Free not Opensource as its released under GNU/GPL, GNU has nothing to do with Open Source.


So buddy lets try to know the truth... there is no harm in it.

:)
 

firestarter

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Hey !! I just forget to quote

The term ``open source'' software is used by some people to mean more or less the same thing as free software. However, their criteria are somewhat lax; they accept some license restrictions that we consider too restrictive.

We prefer the term ``free software'' because it refers to freedom--something that the term ``open source'' does not do.

;)
 

klinux

Ambassador of Buzz
firewall said:
klinux said:
....while everyone knows open source is for linux , gnu and others .
I strongly differ. What do you mean by "Everyone". is that you , or me or some one else.. buddy you just cant make this kind of irresponsible comment. sorry if i am rude.
So buddy lets try to know the truth... there is no harm in it.
:)

I know my posts can be long , but is it that hard to read the whole sentence before coming to conclusions . Read the Whole DAMN thing is all i got to say .

" i think free software name would confuse a lot ,while everyone knows open source is for linux , gnu and others ."
Note the FREE SOFTWARE NAME as in threads name would confuse a lot , while everyone knows open source NAME is for linux , gnu and others . Man do i have to spell out everything . READ THE WHOLE SENTENCE . its called a sentence koz all the words are related . Get It !!!

U keep the threads name as FREE SOFTWARE , u think people might think of linux first ? or is OPEN SOURCE linked more towards linux /gnu and stuff . and by everyone i didnt mean my neighbours and my ex girlfriends , I meant people browsing digit forums , who else is gonna read this forum and use the forum ???? or r u planning to publish the forum in leading newspapers . u want me to list out the members of the forum by their niks . One thing i hate abt this linux / open source movement is people bashing others around on technicality . heck some people just dont wanna know abt the gpl and gnu movement and just wanna use a damn OS .

One of the first interviews RMS gave to LFY , he said he wanted the mags name changed to GNU or GNU / Linux . I read abt it a bit more and now know why he wanted that change . Similarly , people link the NAME open source to linux gnu and STUFF ( i added this so that there wont be a cry from freebsd users ) . God some people will do anything in life . For people wanting to uphold truth , a lot of them sure find an easy , kozy spot online or in forums to speak the truth , but in real life , god knows how they behave . sometimes feel SOME ( NOTICE "SOME" b4 replying ) linux CORE advocates are some sorta cult mentality u know with RMS as ur GOD lol HAIL RMS !!!

anyways . Hope i am clear on this . or should i go on .
 

firestarter

Broken In
Okay..go on.... Explain yourself. What you exactly want !!

We dont know where a sentence ends, we know the start and we dont read full sentences.

All we want to let all the people know that Linux is FLOSS and I do agree with you that people out here in the FLOSS comunity are shouting too much on the thing they should call it ;-)

Lets enjoy the power of linux and continue this thread. But I still feel, people must know what are the real *terms*. thinkdigit is a powerfull forum and most of the compumaniacs in India tend to come here. So we felt, all should know the thinking they have put. Afterall, they made it. We must know the their causes, their thinking. It is somthing like reading *history*.

We are not here to flame each other. We are here to share our knowledge.

No confusion will be made if we rename it to "Free Software" , because people in India loves the term "FREE" ;-)

It will get us more and more people in this linux comunity.

-_-PEACE-_-PEACE-_-
 

klinux

Ambassador of Buzz
" because people in India loves the term "FREE" "

lol . when i use a general term like "everyone" to describe people in the forum knowing abt linux , i get bashed , but here all people in india loves free , so they know free software section is for linux ??? lol

I was told never to play with fire , now i got 2 for the price of one lol .

well like u said , most people spend time on technicality , instead of spreading the real word abt the OS . thats the problem with linux in a way . its not user friendly . i dont mean GUI , but the friendliness of the people who try to spread the word abt it . They seem to be in their own world . Heck i couldnt stand some of the people in chennai linux users groups , so left it . If the people who advocate opensoure/linux/gnu ........ dont try to understand others , theres gonna be a hard time spreading the word . Read an article once where a tech author was reviewing a linux distro and he pointed out that a new sound card worked gr8 on an old 95 system but failed on a new linux distro . he got a lot of hate mail ( and i thought MOST linux users were peace loving lol ) , one even suggested author should write his own device drivers , to which author said simply , why should he ???? .

u guys need to understand that just because its FREE and people love FREE , u cant force them to take it up or follow ur rules blindly . that would make u no different from the mega corps . So just be a bit more tolerant on people trying to make a switch .

One of the early FIREs stated that

"The term ``open source'' software is used by some people to mean more or less the same thing as free software. However, their criteria are somewhat lax; they accept some license restrictions that we consider too restrictive."

whats with the WE here ??? r u trying to make this thread only for OPEN SOURCE LINUX USERS and banish anyone who puts a licensed piece of software in the thread ? i think i had to accept a license once for using Java in pcqlin 2k4 , so does that mean that posts regarding pcqlin 2k4 will not be entertained here ?????? . Lemme make one think clear , For now , changing the name is gonna confuse a lot of people , and going into technicality on license and stuff is gonna cause more headache for people and they might never switch over to linux and might even go back to the empire .

remember what happened to aniken skywalker , inspite of being on the jedi's side in the first two episodes ?? he not only switches to the Dark side but also becomes one of its ruthless leaders . thats the last thing u want to happen to linux . I agree linux is a good piece of software and will benefit users , But try to change the way to bring out and present linux to the people .

its like asking an ukg student to learn hard core geometry . if u remember back in ur school days , do u remember fond memories of the teacher who explained stuff to u well and didnt force u at each mistake u made or u remember the scary teach who pointed out each and every mistake in ur writing or reading , without even allowing u to finish . Now tell me WHICH is the best way to teach people ??????????

If u look at linux , all are students of UKG in a sense and u guys weret appointed , but have taken ur time to volunteer to help spread linux . thats a good thing and appreciated . but u got to learn to be more careful with ur students .

To sum it all up : take things slowly , dont force too much on linux users at once . teaching anything is a long process , which will take time and mistakes bound to happen . u have to learn to tolerate too since u have knowingly or unknowingly taken the responsibilities of a teacher . except in the linux school u have a higher probability of drop outs . now we wouldnt want that now would we ???
 

firestarter

Broken In
Do you think that by asking people to vote on whether they want this thread to be renamed as Free Software, we the FIREs will make people "force too much on linux users at once " !!!!!!!!!!!!

lol

I dont think so my friend. We love it and we want to spread it, we are not teachers, we are linux lovers. And we dont want drop outs, we need more heads.

And I dont think there is "a higher probability of drop outs" as We never argue with new interested one, rather we discuss it here.
And more and more people are willing to even learn it here. Cant say what happens at your place.

And this thread will never confuse them if they/we are determind to learn and learn to love.

*_*PEACE*_*PEACE*_*
 

klinux

Ambassador of Buzz
oh HECK . i dont vote in this forum and didnt even know they had a poll here . The Process of finding faults in peoples interpretation of linux / gnu / free software is the one which is going to cause problems for linux being taken up by people . GET IT NOW ???????????????????

they say love is blind . i didnt know it was the same way for love for linux too ;) . people learn , u teach , hence teachers in a way , not literally teachers with bold specs and stick in hand .
if it wont confuse , why havent u been able to change the name of the forum from open source as yet ??? not enuf love ???????
 
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How the heck did you know that I wore specs ;)
if it wont confuse , why havent u been able to change the name of the forum from open source as yet ??? not enuf love ???????

See my post count and yours. By the way, had I been owner of this forum, I would have already done that.

And one thing for sure if we devote ourself to an ideal... We dont become something else ;)

*_*PEACE*_*PEACE*_*
 

klinux

Ambassador of Buzz
I can see that all ur vision is a bit deviated so guess the specs part , plus the part where only part of what i wrote / typed was replied too ;)

Gnurag and a few others too headed the campaign to change the name , as soon as it started and he is old enuf to be a MOD , well he is infact . thats why the above statement :) EXPLAINED enuf ? another interesting thing is instead of spreading the word on linux , of the first things u do in the forum is want or propose a name change ?? this is like a new CM in a state wanting to change the name of the capital for no apparent reason , while leaving development and infrastructure on the back seat .

if u devote urself to an ideal and u dont see change , u havent learnt or experienced anything . If a windows users devotes himself to lin ? does he stay the same ? . if thats the case , why switch then ? btw , u know which gr8 sage wrote my siggy ?

Coming back to the issue . The thread has been started to clear ppls doubts and queries on vast range of subjects not related to ms and other s/w right . arent we already getting queries on those subjects here ? at the moment , people are aware that they can post their queries related to those subjects here . so when it aint broke , why fix it ?????

Plus : i dont think u forgot to log in , Dig site is apparently logging people off for some reason from yesterday , already posted abt this in thinkdigit.com review thread
 

pradeep_chauhan

Cyborg Agent
Such heated debates about a name? Did someone once say "would a rose by another name smell less sweet" (or words to this effect) come on guys your energy is required for solving many major problems in the world. I personaly feel a name is a name is a name that all so lets go on.
 

tuxfan

Technomancer
All "free" software is open source, but all open source software is not necessarily "free" software. :)

So if the section is named as open source, it covers more softwares.

Additionally, at least 75% of the people here (and 90% of all) wouldn't know what exectly is "free" software. They will be more familiar with what is Open Source. So let it be known by a term which more people will understand.

Secondly, if it is named free software, people will start posting for freewares and will not understand that this section is for freedomware. Do we want as much spam as General Discussion here? :shock:
 

klinux

Ambassador of Buzz
pradeep_chauhan said:
come on guys your energy is required for solving many major problems in the world.
this is actually how techies/geeks relax, in a way , when they take a break from saving the world ;) .
 
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