Debian Kicks Jörg Schilling(cdrtools) new fork in place

Discussion in 'Open Source' started by praka123, Sep 5, 2006.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. praka123

    praka123 left this forum longback

    Joined:
    Sep 7, 2005
    Messages:
    7,513
    Likes Received:
    24
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    -
  2. JGuru

    JGuru Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 25, 2005
    Messages:
    1,705
    Likes Received:
    32
    Trophy Points:
    48
    Location:
    Space-time continuum
    As it is bound to happen, if he (Jorg Schilling) made it a CDDL one!! Also Jorg released
    'cdrtools' under the CDDL license which not compatible with GPL.
     
  3. mehulved

    mehulved 18 Till I Die............

    Joined:
    Jul 15, 2004
    Messages:
    5,790
    Likes Received:
    44
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    India, Mumbai, Marine Lines
    Forking is bad thing but this was needed, but in the end it's the loss to the community. Let's see further developements now.
     
  4. Yamaraj

    Yamaraj The Lord of Death

    Joined:
    May 11, 2005
    Messages:
    253
    Likes Received:
    5
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    यमलोक
    It's all very ugly license politics, nothing else. GPLv3 will make matters even worse.
     
  5. GNUrag

    GNUrag FooBar Guy

    Joined:
    Jun 22, 2004
    Messages:
    1,246
    Likes Received:
    5
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    Interwebs
    Why blame GPLv3?
    Those big giants which old million+ patents about anything imaginable have already made matters worse. In near future, making new software is going to be a daunting task for people like you and me.
     
  6. Yamaraj

    Yamaraj The Lord of Death

    Joined:
    May 11, 2005
    Messages:
    253
    Likes Received:
    5
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    यमलोक
    Because of the new incompatibilities introduced. Not all GPLv2 software can
    be relicensed as GPLv3, and this is only the beginning of disputes over licensing,
    intellectual property rights and patents.

    Unlike most GNU'ers, I don't think business enterprises and their patents are
    evil in any manner. If they spend millions and thousands of hours over a new
    technology, why do you expect them to give it all up to the community for
    free? Why are patents bad?

    IMHO, coding as a hobby is different from coding for a living.
     
  7. GNUrag

    GNUrag FooBar Guy

    Joined:
    Jun 22, 2004
    Messages:
    1,246
    Likes Received:
    5
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    Interwebs
    Incompatibilities! Its a new license afterall.. There are additional clauses in GPLv3 with understandably are going to make it incompatible with GPLv2 and authors will have to revaluate their stand. You call it incompatibility, but have atleast have a look at the draft, Its supposed to keep individual developers like you and i safe.. I, for one see the patent retialiation clause in GPLv3 draft as a welcome step. Neither me as an individual, nor my company can afford to pay for code autiting, or patent settlement fees. If GPLv3 does that for me, they why should i complain?? Also note that GPLv3 is mere draft right now and is being actively debated. Incompatible clauses may come and go as of now.

    Simple. Patents kill innovation.

    I had attended a talk at IIT sometime back on Patents and Copyright Law. I'll give a small example that speaker gave. Assume IBM has patented the idea of chairs which have three legs. And now you independently come up with a working model of new chairs with 4 legs which are more stable than IBM's mere idea of three legged chairs. Now you spend your entire furtune in either buying 3 legged patents from IBM or paying them compensation when they sue you.

    Remember, Science and technology ought to be used for betterment of mankind, and not against it. Moreover, Prof. Eben Moglen himself stated at 4th GPLv3 conference, that patents are nullifiable and he's practically proven by voiding patents of Pfizer's patent on Lipitor, Microsoft's patent of FAT, and his employer Columbia University's patents on certain biotech technology i dont remember. (All three of the organisations, he claims are huge giants in their own fields)

    I dont think so. Coding is coding. You must ensure everynow and then if you are not infringing any particular package's license(in case of working with diverse combination of packages) or if you are not voilating any software powerhouse's patents (in case of working with a totally new revolutionary idea)

    In both cases, you have will need to spend a huge fortune in auditing if your program if not voilating any patents.. or in future, you'll need to spend a huge fortune if you get sued for patent infringment.
     
    Last edited: Sep 6, 2006
  8. mehulved

    mehulved 18 Till I Die............

    Joined:
    Jul 15, 2004
    Messages:
    5,790
    Likes Received:
    44
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    India, Mumbai, Marine Lines
    One day if everything is patented your hobby will be in grave danger. You will have to spend your whole time loooking whether your code violates any patent. So, you cannot really code in your spare time if there are too many patents.
     
  9. Yamaraj

    Yamaraj The Lord of Death

    Joined:
    May 11, 2005
    Messages:
    253
    Likes Received:
    5
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    यमलोक
    In a capitalist society, businesses and enterprises assign priorities to their
    growth and benefit, rather than emotional issues like humanity and poverty.
    Patents are here to stay, regardless of the efforts and movements against
    them. Patents aren't necessarily bad; but they have been overused and
    abused too. I despise patenting life-saving drugs, mouse clicks and gestures
    and the likes, though.

    Consider an example: company A puts millions and thousands of man-hours
    into developing a new technology. How can it let the rival B reap benefits of
    its labour for free? A patent will ensure further development and survival of A.
    Believe me, I know of many examples like this, when a company rejected
    proposal of developing new technology, only because of the fear of its rivals.
    Clearly, they couldn't afford to develop something that would have been copied
    and forked by dozens.

    GNU has become successful because of the free labour it offers. Numerous
    young and talented developers have contributed their work without any rewards.
    And companies like RedHat, Novell and IBM are making millions for the software
    they never developed. What do they developers get?

    IMHO, GNU is more about "free labour" than it is about "freedom" and other
    gimmicks and buzz-words. Know why more and more Debian developers are
    joining Ubuntu these days? Because they get the attention, name and money.

    Here's a haiku from me:-

    Free, open, libre
    All pills, but no choices;
    Welcome to the GNUtopia.
     
    Last edited: Sep 6, 2006
  10. GNUrag

    GNUrag FooBar Guy

    Joined:
    Jun 22, 2004
    Messages:
    1,246
    Likes Received:
    5
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    Interwebs
    Businesses apart, GNU has always been a political statement. GNU was always about freedom, and GPL being its freedom manifesto.

    FOSS software is mostly developed by individuals to scratch their own itch. And all those developers are already aware of the consequences of releasing their software under a copyleft license. Should we be worried about them?

    Besides, RedHat is known to pay several developers whose day job is to commit to linux sources, and Novell to GNOME among others, should we complain about them? Its sad only when there are businesses which pay no regard to community efforts and reap out all the benefits themselves.

    In India i remember, PCQuest makes huge money out of selling their own distribution proudly labelled PCQLinux 200X, but has no clue what their responsibilities towards the community are. No wonder, they have Microsoft directors developing a Linux distro :D .. Cant be any funnier than this.

    Yeah, they are joining. But they mere get name. There was huge uproar and cry when few DDs started getting paid for same work. But fact still remains, its mere handful of developers which are on Canonical's payroll. Rest all are doing for community. Besides with Canonical's new efforts to woo IBM, and Oracle.. i dont see it has future as a community distro, the exact reason for which Debian stands for.
     
    Last edited: Sep 7, 2006
  11. OP
    OP
    praka123

    praka123 left this forum longback

    Joined:
    Sep 7, 2005
    Messages:
    7,513
    Likes Received:
    24
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    -
    debian is forever be a community sustained GNU/Linux distribution and that may be the reason for many to support this distro.but ubuntu is a child distro which is growing bigger than the mother distro showing debian the path to success.atleast debian should make its s/w more uptodate and their releases will be also made soon.
     
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.

Share This Page