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...and that makes them smart?gauravnawani said:
Fedora is a redhat sponsored project, not by Redhat. In the website they clearly states that it is a testing ground for RH Products.sba said:
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Yes, keep believing in everything you read. They control the whole developement process my dear. Remember the release of XFree86 4.0 and how Redhat were the first ones to call for group of new developers? Remember how they tested it in Fedora and only then they infused the finished product in Enterprise edition? Why was the announcement not made first of all in Fedora mailing list?desertwind said:
...and you are telling me that you are using GPLFlash and GNU Java plugins in your browser? Get real my friend...we need these closed source stuff. I am not saying that we need to depend on them forever but we need them now. When we have alternates we can get them in main stream but if we don't give finished products to the users we will just scare the hell out of new users. I will give you an example to this thing. Till date we are facing problems with NTFS write support but there was a project named "Captive" which was providing NTFS write support by using core XP libraries. What happened to it? It died. Why? Cos of this same attitude about closed source stuff and sadly we don't have a rock solid alternative till now!!! NTFS write support is still in nascent stages and don't know till when it will be there. So imho we shouldn't just trash away the closed source stuff. Use them to fight them...
This is funny, you accuse us in believing what we read, and what about you?? you obviously read it somewhere that evil Redhat controls the evil fedora. rofl
Do you ever read the mailing list of your own distro? When XFree86 moved to their new license Redhat were the first ones to call for developers to form a new group to develop a new X server but then why was Fedora the first one to start testing Xorg? B'cos Redhat wanted it to. This is simple business man...you control what you pay for. What is it that you don't understand?gauravnawani said:
What are you talking about? Go home and update your system. That green update applet would be flashing in your face. Check that...you have packages for everything. Yes MP3 too...surprise...surprise...
Where am I saying that drivers should not be provided by manufacturers...where am I saying that you should not install closed source stuff. I am saying that you CAN'T stay away from closed source stuff. We need them...
Your point being...?
Own little needs? If you are talking about supporting 95% of desktop users out there with a Microsoft OS on their system as my own little need then I pity you man. If it is such a trivial thing then why don't you post in a kernel mailing list and tell them that they should disable the NTFS branch from 2.6 kernel. I am sure they would love to hear you.
Did I say I am not using any other distro? I am using Slackware 10.1 and Gentoo...thank you very much. Oh and btw...Slackware and Gentoo "support" MP3 cos they are not "stupid".
I read more about my distro then.. lets say you!. Whats that!! a stupid joke?? XFree86 made a change that made it non compatible to GPL. A company like Redhat which only provides GPL products this was automatically not acceptable. I see that you have trouble yourself understanding what you want to say. Your words say that redhat controls/or intends it is thats so?? *www.x.org/XOrg_background.htmlsba said:
For your kind information I use fedora4. And I am quite content not to wake up as, I know the difference between updating and using a release.sba said:
You have them in they way you can, that is separate download. Whats so difficult about 'GPL compliant' that you dont understand?sba said:
Once again your facts are wrong 100% windows users dont have NTFS. Thanks but no thanks for your pity I had done without and will continue to do so. I was not even bothered about it not existing it makse no difference to me whether it does or not. It was you who was crying horse over NTFS.sba said:
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Obviously you have problems with reading complete paragraphs. I hope theirs and your intelligence dont mix up together.gauravnawani said:
Are you so thick headed or are you just pretending to be? I agree that they release GPL stuff but why was Fedora the first ones used as testing grounds? Why not Redhat's "own" distro? Why does everything experimental goes into Fedora which Redhat wants...b'cos Redhat gives monetary and intellectual support to the project and controls the way it shapes up? Simple business imho. If you can't even see the picture now then there is no use arguing with you.gauravnawani said:
What??? You never laid your hands on SuSE 9.3 and you were blowing your trumpet about it missing MP3 support? Now that is intelligent...
What is the requirement of a user you don't understand? If dumping non-GPL stuff was such a nice (read 'smart') thing then why are all major distros not implementing it? Why this politics by Redhat?
Lets see who is an isolated case here. Make a poll in any part of this world on any website you like and just ask this one question. "Would you like to have rock-solid NTFS full write support in Linux?" You will find what an endangered species you are and will give me written permission to pity on you
Looks like your level of intelligence has already mixed with that of people at Fedora
All I can see is your half baked misunderstanding and misionary zeal against their methods. As you said there is no point in arguing with me after all how can you argue facts with mad barking.sba said:
Again adding imagination "Jack boy". I use Fedora for work and play with other distros too, thats how I speak about what I know.sba said:
Right on Jack boy, tell me if this rings any bells in your pea brain. There are few if no distro which directly aims at desktop. Read directly otherwise you will be mixing words. Mostly GPL products are distributed in an fully GPL distro. Since commercial companies dont make GPL stuff they are left out even if they are easing some aspects of desktop computing. But those who work with GPL like RealNetworks they are included. Even then they are far and few.sba said:
See again you are so hot headed about it, why dont you do it yourself. If you forgot to read earlier comments, I dont care about NTFS.sba said:Lets see who is an isolated case here. Make a poll in any part of this world on any website you like and just ask this one question. "Would you like to have rock-solid NTFS full write support in Linux?" You will find what an endangered species you are and will give me written permission to pity on you
Agreed thats why they are the best GPLed distro out there. See that was easy dosent it!sba said:Looks like your level of intelligence has already mixed with that of people at Fedora
Since you have come down to using derogatory remarks rather than keeping the argument clean, this topic is more than over for me. I will not be visiting this thread again but still the onus of proving that my posts were not half baked misunderstanding or mad barking for that matter, lies on me. All I can see is that this whole topic started when I said that Redhat controls Fedora and Redhat's policies are stupid. Well you think they are not stupid and I think they are, so there can be no clarification or justification to that thing but in this last post of mine I will prove to you that at the time of writing this post, Fedora is controlled by Redhat.gauravnawani said:
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